[Flamingo]

There's a lot of great names mentioned. Belinda Belle, and Dakota are LEGENDS but all of them rose to fame over a long period of time, Sarah got to legendary status in under 10yrs and from an insane grind and work ethic. She put more work in into her first year than most have in 5 and has just started  slowing down (I think). Plus the only time I've seen her in real trouble was against Lexi and even then she kept coming and probably would have beat her. She's the catfight equivalent of Rocky Balboa lol.

Charlie mancini also got her in trouble. Sarah brooke vs santana or nikki darling really needs to happen 

[b3b392]

Of the current crop of girls in the scene, Sarah Brooke is undeniably the best. Against more wrestling based opposition like Lora Cross - she wins. Against more catfight based opposition like Mila Rose - she wins. Against girls leagues below her who don't really have any right fighting her like Angel or Evonn - she obviously wins but also keeps the fights relatively engaging.

She's properly dedicated herself to improving her skills and stuck at it like no one else seems willing to, which honestly is worrying for the future. Alexa Brooke had potential, got stung by Vika and has disappeared. Vika was looking promising, but came unstuck against Paris Love - although she has since started taking BJJ lessons, so might one day reach Sarah's levels, though I doubt she'll ever have Sarah's fight anyone, anywhere attitude and it doesn't sound like she'll return to suitefights which is disappointing. Paris Love clearly has the wrestling skills, but her real catfights are few and far between and she was dominated by Sexywife. Sexywife was undeniably tough and might conceivably have challenged Sarah but she's disappeared like Alexa Brooke. Nikki Darling only ever pops her head up once every couple of years, and definitely has the fighting spirit, but I can't see her improving much fighting as rarely as she does.

Perhaps, Bella Lux or Santana could pose a threat to Sarah currently and both could possibly improve going forward. Would love to Sarah tangle with either.

Long story short though, discussions about the GOAT of the catfighting world feel like they are unfortunately going to be based on girls from the past like Nadege, Lisa Marie, Ariel X, et al because the current crop just don't seem to have the drive that Sarah Brooke did, the number of producers seems to be diminshing and a lot of the girls can't seem to get over their first loss. Hope I'm proven wrong in the long run but genuinely worried I won't be

[Flamingo]

Amber/Santana from Mexican catfights could become a huge star. She seems to be more active while Sarah Brooke seems to be slowing down and aging in dog years

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Of the current crop of girls in the scene, Sarah Brooke is undeniably the best. Against more wrestling based opposition like Lora Cross - she wins. Against more catfight based opposition like Mila Rose - she wins.

Alexa Brooke had potential, got stung by Vika and has disappeared. Vika was looking promising, but came unstuck against Paris Love - Paris Love clearly has the wrestling skills, but her real catfights are few and far between and she was dominated by Sexywife.

Perhaps, Bella Lux or Santana could pose a threat to Sarah currently and both could possibly improve going forward. Would love to Sarah tangle with either.

Real good point here ... just too many factors to call one girl the GOAT. 

You mention these names that I'm not familiar with like Paris, Santana and Sexywife.  I think Alexa has something on SF if I want to see her ... how about those others ... what company are / were they with where I could see them ?

I also agree with the Sarah comments ; seemed very dedicated to her fighting and in an interview she mentioned taking MMA training. I also agree that she would have beaten Charlie and Lexi if those two didn't throw in the towel like they did. That is why they quit ... they gave everything they had to put her away early but Sarah just bounced right back for more and they knew they couldn't last with her. Safely quitting with excuses of injuries etc. before losing outright was the only thing they could do to save face.  I think Lara Cross was holding her own with her better than the other two, but Sarah would have won that one too if it wasn't called early ... which was bullshit.  Questionable win for Sarah in that one.

I see this hard core catfighting as something no girl would keep up for long ( for some girls once is enough ! ) and seems like Sarah hasn't done anything 'hard' for a while now. She has her own site and there is really nothing on it of interest  but it's a lot easier doing scripted stuff than getting drug around by her hair and slapped and probably makes more $$$ doing the easy stuff.   

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Pamela ... the vicious blond from IFW .  The few real catfights I saw her in were brutal and I never remember her losing unless in scripted fights.

[b3b392]

Pamela is a curious one... Lara beat her at least once at IFW, but I'm never sure exactly how competitive their fights actualy are.

I think to truly be considered a potential GOAT she'd have to travel some and fight some US, or at least UK based opponents like Nadege did. Lara on the other hand did fight in the UK recently and won without looking spectacular doing so.

Pamela's been doing some stuff with Tilly McReese lately though I think, so maybe a US excursion isn't too far off either.

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Pamela is a curious one... Lara beat her at least once at IFW, but I'm never sure exactly how competitive their fights actualy are.

 Lara on the other hand did fight in the UK recently and won without looking spectacular doing so.

Pamela's been doing some stuff with Tilly McReese lately though I think, so maybe a US excursion isn't too far off either.

Glad you brought up Lara. I hardly paid attention to IFW ( $50.00 a clip was just too high for me - 'sticker shock'  LOL ) but have a couple from SFD and just from there just figured Lara was all fluff as those are all scripted.  I found out Pamela was rated as one of the best so doing a little research I saw an epic, really nasty catfight between her and Lara on IFW  Actually two are listed  one with chokes allowed and the other without choking. I couldn't believe that was Lara  ... as I thought she was just for tame, scripted, fantasy stuff. 

I'm even more intrigued now that you said she beat Pamela !   Another I saw of Pamela against a girl named Tiger from Female Combat Stars  was impressive too as she shut out Tiger in about 6 falls and the match consisted of brutal hair pulling ... and Tiger was no slouch to hair pulling. 

Was the fight Lara beat her the one I'm talking about from IFW ? 

[b3b392]

Can't remember if it's the one with chokes or not, but it was at IFW. She was a dominant force there for a while but doesn't seem to be the same fighter since her return. Again though, I can't say that I'm 100% certain as to exactly how competitive IFW's fights actually are. They definitely don't seem scripted, but some of the rule sets and fight types make me wonder.

Her fight in the UK that I mentioned was with Slap City and is also real, though it's mostly a wrestling match. Going off this fight and her return to IFW I doubt she'd beat Pamela now.

Pamela's main rival in Europe seems to be Bianca who much like Pamela seems to move between all of the European fighting sites. They appear to be good friends but I know they have fought each other here and there. Haven't actually seen any of the fights so can't comment as to who wins or is better.

Again though, it's hard to legitimately call any of the three women mentioned above GOAT-contenders as their circle of competition is pretty niche in the wider context, and generally speking, like you say, not cheap to access.

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I always thought Pamela and Bianca were real close friends too .... just always seem to be together ... like on their visits and eventual ban from Fighting Dolls.  I'd think that any fight they had vs each other was scripted since they were good friends , but I'm just guessing.

Big mistake I made  is  thinking Lara was only a scripted / fantasy wrestler/fighter.  It shocked me when I saw the previews on IFW of her and Pamela's fights ... it looked brutally real for sure , especially when Pamela had Lara in a rear choke. If it was acting they both should receive awards for it. Other footage in that preview had Lara dragging Pamela down with vicious hair grabs ... again , award winning if not real. This of course is what had me immediately want to download it until I saw the sticker price. Bad enough when you throw away $25.00 on a shit clip you'll never watch again , let alone $50.+   Just couldn't hit the submit button  .... LOL.

Maybe if I hear others mention how awesome it was I'll reconsider it. 

[Flamingo]

Has Sarah Brooke ever done catfights in the UK?

The catfight art is very niche. Sadly we dont have many girls doing it full time. In an ideal world, there would be uk vs mexico matches set up and uk vs usa talent

[Bunpbner-man-22]

Amber/Santana from Mexican catfights could become a huge star. She seems to be more active while Sarah Brooke seems to be slowing down and aging in dog years

My hot take: Santana is good but she’s not great.  She’s so far beaten people who had very limited exposure and I’d be willing to bet ya that had the Nikki fight happened she would’ve gotten exposed a bit, I think she would’ve won because she’s got some mean belly punching skills, but she would’ve been exposed because Nikki is aggressive and can hang which of her fights this far she hasn’t gone against opponents who don’t get gassed outside of the 5-7 minute mark.

Currently I have it that Sarah is still top dog just because she was the one who elevated the genre.  She took the unscripted fight to a whole new level.  Now that she’s cleared out most of the competition—I mean we’re working on what Kyla/Reagan third matches against Sarah now because there’s just no opponents out there?

Paris is a good name, she’s got solid wrestling skills, but I go back to the Alexa fight and if it wasn’t for that one hip toss which yielded the grapevine submission it was draw with Alexa maybe eking it out.  Alexa with a few more bouts under her in catfighting would’ve won had they had a rematch.

I still think you gotta rank them by genre within the fetish. 

1) Sarah is best all around.
2) Lisa-Marie would’ve been best but she got out before the unscripted era happened
3) Nadege would be number one but she did seem to struggle in Catfights not because of her skill but because she was so small and when she went against opponents in the 130-150 range weight class is a real thing
4) Francesca Le is easily to me the best scripted fighter of all time.  Her acting never felt over the top

Kinda excited to see where the genre goes from here but as I’ve pointed out I feel we’re headed toward a lull because of cost, and it’s so much easier to generate cash from just doing only fans which is more or less just straight porn.

[Bunpbner-man-22]

I always thought Pamela and Bianca were real close friends too .... just always seem to be together ... like on their visits and eventual ban from Fighting Dolls.  I'd think that any fight they had vs each other was scripted since they were good friends , but I'm just guessing.

Big mistake I made  is  thinking Lara was only a scripted / fantasy wrestler/fighter.  It shocked me when I saw the previews on IFW of her and Pamela's fights ... it looked brutally real for sure , especially when Pamela had Lara in a rear choke. If it was acting they both should receive awards for it. Other footage in that preview had Lara dragging Pamela down with vicious hair grabs ... again , award winning if not real. This of course is what had me immediately want to download it until I saw the sticker price. Bad enough when you throw away $25.00 on a shit clip you'll never watch again , let alone $50.+   Just couldn't hit the submit button  .... LOL.

Maybe if I hear others mention how awesome it was I'll reconsider it.

Also wanted to add in here I think I read on here Lara decimated Kim-Ly at FD and forced her to retire.  Lara is legit but I haven’t seen much from her other than a few matches at IFW.

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 It was Bianca the beat Kim Ly .... I don't think Lara ever was ever at FD . Bianca also wrestled Andy twice and think she beat her too ... but didn't see the matches so not sure.  Pamela destroyed Vera in a catfight as I've read and Vera is rarely beaten. From what I read it was a brutal beat down of one of FD's toughest girls,  leaving Vera crying at the end. She also did the same to another girl - either Belle or Telma .  Anyway, those girls Pamela fought at FD said it was the first time they were ever scared of an opponent and would never fight her again.  Pamela also beat Anastasia in a wrestling match . 

Bianca I know beat Isabel ( another bigger , tough girl ) during their visit and had two with Andy , FD's other top girl at the time who was always  Kim Ly's main competition  . I didn't see the two matches they had but have a feeling Andy lost both to Bianca.

My guess is them being so dominant at FD - especially Pamela being so brutal in her catfight with Vera -  is why they aren't welcome back.

[Bunpbner-man-22]

You’re right it was Bianca I got them mixed up in my head.