[Glamour Fights]

I completely disagree.

If you visit most forums, you have a limited edit option. You can't just post a load of diatribe and then once you have stirred up a reaction, go back and wipe out whatever you said.

It's not a big topic. You are still free to say whatever you choose to post. You also have time to check grammer, spelling errors and so on.

I have introduced the limit for specific reasons. It will not be problem for the majority of users.

I can also increase the time limit if users don't think 10 minutes is enough to check / edit / comlete a post.

John

I respectively disagree. Most forums I visit do not have a time limit for making edits or corrections. In fact, his is the only forum that I visit where the time limit is the case. It is a problem for me and I think my current tournaments will be my last on this forum unless I choose to end them earlier.

I am not the only one who has this as the only forum where there is a time limit o0n changing your mistakes.

And you haven't said what you final result you want to achieve when someone posts diatribes. If they can't delete it, then the diatribe will still be there and will cause stir up further reactions. If you attack them or tell them not to do it then the most common reaction of the poster is to keep arguing, making even more discussions. If you remove it than you are back to just what you are complaining about - the offensive post is no longer there. You could delete the whole thread or but you can do this anyway.

What I am asking you do to is to THINK! If someone posts a load of diatribe then what is it you want to achieve? When you figure that out you can determine the best way to handle it and is also consistent with the needs of other members.

By the way, I am not the only one that has found this forum to be the only one with a time limit for edits.

Finally, for what reason can I no longer lock and unlock voting? I can see why you may want to do this but I would appreciate it if you would reconsider.

[Vassago]

Is it possible to bring back the old setting for a specific sub-forum or do the changes apply for the entire board and then it's impossible to make a selective approach? I haven't witnessed any personal insults in the celebrity sub-forum and it could be easily spared this treatement.

[FEMMEFIGHT]

And you haven't said what you final result you want to achieve when someone posts diatribes.

Moderators get emails daily from users who ask us to ban users. More often than not, they refer us to threads where a user has posted something they deem offensive. Whilst I am not easily offended, if we are to moderate correctly, we need to be able to read all posts and threads in their intended format without alteration by the user several hours later

What I am hoping to achieve is two things. To encourage users to post with some thought. That way, hopefully, moderators get less requests for bans, blocks, deletions and when they are asked to do so, they have the evidence to make an informed decision.

In the case of errors re stories, I will look into the option of enabling an unlimited edit option for a first post / thread starter. How does that sound? So if you post a story, you can go back and edit it as many times as you want.

Finally, for what reason can I no longer lock and unlock voting? I can see why you may want to do this but I would appreciate it if you would reconsider.

This is another thing I can't get to grips with. Perhaps I should set it back as it was but if you set a date for a poll to expire, surely you should let it run to that date regardless?

I'm open to removing the limit on that if people feel strongly about it.

cheers
John

[FEMMEFIGHT]

Is it possible to bring back the old setting for a specific sub-forum or do the changes apply for the entire board and then it's impossible to make a selective approach? I haven't witnessed any personal insults in the celebrity sub-forum and it could be easily spared this treatement.

Good point and I will see if thats possible

[Vassago]

Thx for your response.

The thing with posting a specific date has sometimes produced a number of late suspicious voting in some polls and therefore ruin the whole concept. Glamour Fights' polls have been struck by this occurance and that's why he insists on keeping the lock option available for the thread starters  

[FEMMEFIGHT]

In fact, it would be ideal if we could edit the limit to be user specific so where there are conflicts we can remove the editing rights of specific users (complainent and "alleged" offender melud) whilst the differences are settled.

I will look into that as well

[Ali Cat]

might I ask WHY this restriction on editing was imposed?

They like to laugh at my poor grammar and bad spelling.

 

I love you Jonica. 

John,

While I see your point on several things the ability of the author to edit his/her post later (perhaps days later) is nice to have.  Naturally it's up to you but I'd say put it back to the way it was. 

Ali

[pollman]

Hello John,

I do emphasise that what I am about to write is meant as a constructive criticism and not a self focussed complaint.

Regarding the alteration of the 'Modify' button on this forum, I strongly believe you have created a massive problem where previously there was none.

For the first time I have just noticed that there is an alteration time limit that seems to be at 10 mins after you have posted a message that then prohibits the writer of that post from modifying its contents. I must admit I found this incredibly frustrating as I seriously need to amend a post and I am now prohibited from doing so. In fact this time limit idea is such an ill thought out idea that in order to correct a mistake I have made in a message thread that I am now prohibited from amending due to it being after 10 minutes since the post was created, I now need to break a forum rule (bumping) in order to correct the mistake by posting another message. It feels ridiculous, it genuinely does.

What makes this worse is that from reading the previous discussion, it seems the reason you are using for introducing this time limit is specifically aimed at a minority of people who you see as doing wrong. The problem with this line of reasoning is that it punishes those of us, and I'm guessing I'm speaking for the majority of people, who merely wish to proof read and modify our posts at a later time, (like what writers have been doing for over 3000 years), or to be given the right to alter at any point what we have written.

To prohibit a writer from amending, altering, deleting something that they have written seems very heavy handed and judicial. It feels authoritarian and too strict, especially for a leisure interest forum such as this that came to fame and success due to its liberal protection of free speech and freedom of expression.

I use the Modify button extensively for what I post on this forum, and I have been doing so for the last 5 years and genuinely value this feature, though I must say it is a feature that is present on every other forum I use on the internet too. To suddenly put a restriction time on how long a writer on this forum has to modify what they have wrote has the result of punishing and restricting the innocent majority for the sake of benefitting a few moderators to roleplay judge and jury on those who have written something someone else has made a complaint about.

Please, please, please, remove the time restriction on the 'Modify' button, it's a terrible idea I must say John, probably one of the worst that has been introduced since you took over as Administrator of this forum.

I would genuinely be grateful if you immediately did away with this new time limit at the earliest opportunity as it is such a noticeably bad idea that has been forced on the members of this forum for how long they have to edit a post before they are prohibited from altering and modifying something that they themselves have wrote; it genuinely seems nonsensical, (even with the reasons you provided). I cannot express enough how frustrating it is to have the right taken away from me to change and modify my very own writing or to amend mistakes I notice at a later date.

I hope you will consider my suggestion John as everyone I speak to recently who belongs to this forum are very frustrated by this completely unnecessary 'Modify' time limit that we've done perfectly well without for the last 5 years. It's introduction is definitely NOT an improvement that will benefit members of this forum.

Thanks

[Glamour Fights]

I offer a possible solution to your problem with the posts that people complain about and then are gone. In you other general announcement about asking  to ban people you say they should offer proof as to why they should be banned. Well, if someone is offended by a post I suggest you require them to copy or quote the post and include it in the private message or the email.. That way you will have it for the record and your inspection at your leisure. And you will also be able to leave the modify option as it was before. The members have spoken pretty loudly as I haven't seen a single post in support of the change you made.

The lock/unlock option is not a big deal for me. The reason I don't give ending dates has been given and is because of suspicious voting. But I have a work around for not being able to lock the voting and on handling suspicious voting  so changing it back is not necessary. It is just more convenient to be able to lock them but there are some inconveniences which may be for the better benefit of all.

[stormbolt7]

You know it is kind of scaring me that the more I listen to Jonica and Gemma, the more they make sense??

Ummmmm does that mean I get to drink the koolaid they recently made??   

I have been part of other forums different fetishes, and almost all of them have time limits for editing posts.
Usually EVEN if I try and proof read, later I will growl, and curse as I find YET another error I missed, that is now part of history for all to see.
ALSO usually if I try to proof read, I begin changing things. Adding more work to it.
SO I consider my goofs like a wheres Waldo.. You find my mistakes CONGRATS you can have them as your own. A special part of the enjoyment process.

ALMOST ALL of the forums have different time limits to re-edit or change things after posting.
I think the max one is 24 hours after posting your done, being able to add more to it.

Have been writing for over 8 hours.. for story I have going.. so not sure I am making sense... why do I do it?? Simply I think the ladies here worth it.
NOW check it out, and enjoy the mistakes as part of my signiture to it. LOL
OH and Jonica ALWAYS it is laughing with you .. your loads of fun... to those of us that love ya.. screw the ones that laugh at you!!
Umm well cept Gemma she has earened that right!!
Storm

[Ali Cat]

He said WHAT?

[pollman]

John,

I've just attempted to create a message thread featuring text and images and I must say this time limit restriction on modifying posts is absolutely frustrating and useless. I only had 10 mins to set the images up in the correct positions on the page once I had posted the message, I genuinely struggled to get it right. Even now I've posted it, I can see several mistakes and needs for modification which I am now prohibited from doing due to this pointless time restriction on modifying posts.

Could you please remove this time restriction as soon as possible, and return it back to the way it was. It acts as a massive frustration, annoyance, and obstacle to produce good entertaining catfight themed messages in the style I have always done on this forum.

I cannot see how any intelligent writer would welcome such a prohibition to proof read and have the ability to amend something they have written or created utilising images and text. There should be absolutely no time limit whatsoever on having the ability to redraft something you have produced.

Thanks

[FEMMEFIGHT]

The limit is currently set at 2 hours.

I am off out to watch one of the kids play football (English Football!!) and will probably be out for most of the day but I will revisit this tomorrow for sure.

cheers
John

[pollman]

Thanks John, that has allowed me to edit the mistakes and amend a few things, at least in one new message thread, but I am now prohibited from amending a detail I need to change in a second message thread that was created 7 days ago.

Is there any possibility of removing the time limit altogether? i.e. as it's been for the last 5 to 9 years without a problem?

I foresee a multitude of problems this time limit causes in many scenarios.

(1) Often when I post images, the link goes dead several days later, and I have to edit it to place a new link url in the message thread. Placing a time limit on the edit button prohibits me from doing this now.

(2) Also, updating a score in a message thread without the need to submit a new separate post is now not possible with the time limit that has been imposed.

(3) On a few occasions I have been politely asked to remove certain images (not by moderators). Now I am very worried and concerned that I have had this facility taken away from me to edit my own messages immediately when requested. I have been told by several members how slow the response can be sometimes from the forum moderators, sometimes several days wait, so I see no sense in taking the means away from someone like myself for editing my own written or image created output.

I could go on and on and on with a massive list of disadvantages this nonsensical time limit introduces. I'm not really interested in how other forums operate, I have had no experience of other forums having a time limit and it doesn't really matter anyway. I've been a proud member of this forum for over five years now and this time limit on the 'Modify' button introduces a massive frustration and obstacle for what I do here, and seems to have caused one huge problem where previously there was none, it really does the opposite of improving things.

I am at a total loss of why there is a need to change things to create a new big problem where previously there was none. The change itself seems to be specifically for the benefit of a handful of moderators to role play moral judges, censors, and police. This is at the expense of allowing why this forum came to fame and success due primarily to its liberal approach to its members, and protection of people's freedom of speech. By placing a time limit on how long people have to change their minds, edit, delete, modify or amend their own writing output is, as I see it a direct and clear change of the impressive philosophy of this forum. The adamant enforcement of this time limit I see as a first step towards the decline of this forum, and a possible exodus of people to other more liberal catfight related forums, essentially rendering this forum a ghost forum once again, as it was back when Barb's famous female fighting forum was in existence during the late 1990's and early millennium.

It's interesting to note that what made both Barb's forum and Debee's Catfight forums successful over the years were their liberal philosophy and freedom of speech. You can choose to ignore what I write here John as it is your forum of which you have total power, and you purchased it for business reasons so you can do what you like. But please be warned, internet history has demonstrated that catfight fans always go to where they can most freely express themselves, and being allowed to proofread and re-draft their own writing output and page image creation is one form of that freedom of expression.

Please do the sensible thing John and do away altogether with the 'Modify' button time limit. 2 hours, 24 hours, 7 days, 1 month will not suffice. We are not all children who need to be 'moderated', the majority of us can 'moderate' ourselves.

[Glamour Fights]

John,
I offer another reason for the need of time unlimited edits that is not under control of the user nor the moderators. My polls usually feature side by side comparisons of the fighters. I use an image hosting service to do this. Your forum does not provide the storage for the number of images required and I don't think it should. However at least one of these services has problems (name left out for legal reasons). Images will just disappear or become unavailable. It isn't for copyright or legal issues nor even pornography reasons. It often seems random. But when it happens sometimes one of the images disappears so the comparison can no longer be done. I have solved this problem by switching services but not all images have been moved over. I also see it has happened to  others.

Your proposal to allow unlimited for the first post in a thread would solve this for the original posting of the poll or topic (not all topics have polls in them.)  But it doesn't solve the problem for subsequent posts.

I throw that out there for your consideration although I think it will do little good as you seem to have made up your mind. I would also remind you of your promise "Lastly, the moderation team is here to help and will do so. Please do contact us if you have a genuine issue" From the discussion this would seem to be a genuine issue.

--GF