[ChandieSavage]

Hey guys - looking to get started up again soon, but unfortunately due to health reasons I won't be able to do competitive / REAL fights.

I'm not opposed to it (I like pain, I'm weird) - but have to avoid intense cardio. I also don't do nudity or sexual content (sorry boys) but sexy is fun (see my profile pictures for example)

Because of this, the plan will be to film more scripted / fantasy content - which I know is a turn off for a lot of you.

I'm mostly just curious as to why - and how to avoid it. MOST of the scripted stuff I see online is a little corny - like it's made by porn producers and not catfight fans.

I'd like to shoot stuff that's a little more action intense - real hairpulling / slapping but just fantasy scenarios - and with hopefully better acting haha (I'm an actress myself - not a porn star lol)

Anyway just wondering what all your thoughts were?

[sinclairfan]

Advantages of scripted (when done right):

<> Because neither girl will be winded, can have MUCH longer matches.  20, 30, 40 minutes are completely doable.

<> Because there is so much less chance (but, still not zero) of injury, can get quite far along on the intensity / violence curve.

<> IRL matches sometimes end in draws, but rarely with the girls alternating who's dominating.  With scripted, can spend much more time on back and forth and back again.

<> IRL usually requires sane rules.  Scripted can have complete insanity--true NHB.

<> Scripted can have buildup.  IRL can have interviews, but scripted can make the buildup its own story.

<> Scripted can have more varieties of clothes--any clothes, really.  An IRL in heels, for example, isn't plausible.

<> Scripted actresses can be 9's and 10's.  That's unusual in IRL.

<> Size/skill-level mismatches ruin most IRL fights--less important on scripted.

The first three "Violent Grudge" fights are more "real" than most IRL fights.

[DKBfb1]

Hey guys - looking to get started up again soon, but unfortunately due to health reasons I won't be able to do competitive / REAL fights.

I'm not opposed to it (I like pain, I'm weird) - but have to avoid intense cardio. I also don't do nudity or sexual content (sorry boys) but sexy is fun (see my profile pictures for example)

Because of this, the plan will be to film more scripted / fantasy content - which I know is a turn off for a lot of you.

I'm mostly just curious as to why - and how to avoid it. MOST of the scripted stuff I see online is a little corny - like it's made by porn producers and not catfight fans.

I'd like to shoot stuff that's a little more action intense - real hairpulling / slapping but just fantasy scenarios - and with hopefully better acting haha (I'm an actress myself - not a porn star lol)

Anyway just wondering what all your thoughts were?

Here's my two cents worth.

You're not opposed to real/competitive fights? You're phenomenal. No nudity or sexual content? No problem. I think that detracts from the realness of any scenario. It makes no sense to me that two girls who are fighting somehow find time to strip. Sexual is sexual. Catfighting is catfighting. And yes. obviously, I know catfighting is also sexy (or I wouldn't be here) but it is sexy in it's own right.

Scripted/fantasy content is a turn off? Nope. Not even close! 100,000% wrong!! Okay, I know some scripted/fantasy stuff may not be up to much, so I'll concede that. But give me well acted and convincing over real every day of the week. Every catfight fan has their own idea of what would make the best production. I have very specific tastes which I'm sure aren't shared by many others. We're all different.

So, let me get this last part straight.. You'd like to shoot stuff that's a little more action intense with real hairpulling? And you're an actress? A hybrid of sorts is the only thing that could deliver my fantasy. It lies somewhere between real (excitement? tick) and acting so no girl is hurt (conscience? tick). You tick every box I've ever dreamed of!!

I only wish there were millions more like you. But there aren't 

[maturecatfan]

scripted fights are not per se bad as long as they have some realism and action

$600 wager is in my view the best ever made . if the actresses are ok but are allowed to fight hard within limits it can be sexy as hell. the scenario build up to such fantasy fights can be so sexy.

tina antman was superb at them (newcomer 1&2) she sold it great as she was a real fighter too

please do make some scripted fights with hard hair pulling tit mauling etc

[ChandieSavage]

I'll admit I started this thread with a bit of a clickbaity title haha.

I don't think scripted content necessarily 'sucks' - it can be hit or miss with some folks and there are always different levels of intensity.

A lot of the more 'intense' scripted / fantasy content seems to have died out in the 90's and early 2000's.

I don't think the market is AS strong as the real intense competitive stuff like SuiteFights etc. but there's a niche for everything obviously - and you have to do the stuff that interests YOU - if we're not having fun making this then what's the point right?

[maturecatfan]

A lot of the more 'intense' scripted / fantasy content seems to have died out in the 90's and early 2000's.

I don't think the market is AS strong as the real intense competitive stuff like SuiteFights etc. but there's a niche for everything obviously - and you have to do the stuff that interests YOU - if we're not having fun making this then what's the point right?

an intense scripted fight that has some real elements of fighting like in suitefights in my view would be a best seller. so true the great fantasy work of the 90s and 2000s has died away mainly because CW went over to sexfights.

I so agree do what you enjoy and if you would enjoy a scripted 'intense / semi real' fight i sure as hell would enjoy watching you - such a sexy lady

[Flamingo]

I wouldn't care if its predatermined outcomes.  If it looks heavily choregraphed and over the top like wwf its terrible.
Realism is great

[snw]

A scripted wrestling match could be very hot. It doesn’t need to be as rough but just as hot when each struggles to pin or submit the other. Doing something like 2 girls want to impress the same guy by wrestling, 2 girls trash talking in front of their two guys, each wanting to be the alpha and sexiest in the eyes of both guys. Have stakes of some sort that further rubs in the fact of who won. The winner becoming the sole focus of both guys despite the loser watching her man be tempted right in front of her. Wrestling also seems to be much more realistic too. Not prosttyle type wrestling but wrestling with rules that don’t allow punches to the face , but hair pulling, slaps to the face and punching below the neck. Or whatever rules one might like.

[rmouse]

I find scripted matches to be waaay better than real matches.  Rarely have I ever seen a real fight come even close to a well done scripted fight.

Real fights are usually even, and if one girl gets the advantage, it ends soon enough.  A scripted fight can be a squash match, where the weaker girl gets worked over slowly and intensely.  She has to be an expert at selling the pain being dealt to her.  That is HUGE.  The dominate girl has to sell the blows.  Scripted matches with fake blows are HORRIBLE.   How to sell a punch to the face?  Angle it away from the camera so it's out of view.  Then you can throw a real punch, "connect", and then the receiving girl can sell the blow.  That's what matters.   Use the camera angles to disguise the fake blows, and let the selling do all the work. 

Scripted matches' hair pulling is waaay better than in real life.  In a scripted match, hair pulling is more dominate, with the receiving girl helpless, able to do nothing but scream in pain, suffering the hair pull, her hands holding her own head in agony.  The dominate girl yanks the weaker girl off the floor by her hair.  EVERY time. She drags her around the room, bent over, by her hair.  Total domination. 

When the beatings are over, the dominate girl stands over her victim, who is lying in a heap on the floor and plants her bare foot right over her face.  Total domination.

Scripted matches are insanely sexy when done right.  Nudity or sex is not required.  Simple bra & panties are beyond sexy, especially if they are white.   A slower, intimate fight, where the dominate girl is more interested in hurting her opponent than ending the fight in victory is off scale in appeal!  Pro wrestling squash matches are a real good template for a scripted catfight.  They get it. 

Look at the beating Mimi Hagiwara takes in this match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3uE-0RzGjw&t=400s

From 5:50 to 9:15 she is absolutely brutalized by her opponents.  Relentless hair pulling, arm twisting, biting, etc.  THIS is how a scripted catfight should look.  Few if any producers have taken the type of intensity shown in this fight and translated it into an apartment wrestling catfight.  Whoever does this will be a HUGE winner.

I hope you give it a try.  Good luck!

[clark85]

Real fights can be too short and the action too one sided or boring.  It all depends how far they want a scripted match to go I think which can be made far better.  So many producer vids from the past are so good def didnt have to be real like cali wildcats, joanwise, curtis dupont etc I dont why the need to rely on only real

[ChandieSavage]

I'll admit I started this thread with a bit of a clickbaity title haha.

Wow some great responses on here, and very much in line with the kind of stuff I'd like to shoot - scripted but realistic - and yeah the options for a 'scripted' scenario are pretty much endless so that's a lot of fun for me as a performer.

Honestly though, I was almost expecting / half hoping to hear a dissenting opinion on scripted content or 'that fake shit' as it often gets called.

I do feel like the market for scripted content is smaller, maybe I'm wrong, or maybe you guys are just connoisseurs ??

[clark85]

Seems like there's a lot more producers catering to real stuff than ever before while realistic scripted matches is much harder to find.  I think mainly fighting-dollsand fighting-divas are the main ones right now for that?

[caryn1]

most boxing even look fake but catfights can look very real with the the right women and build up and the ending of the fight

[caryn1]

if a woman makes her living from her face and body not many would want to have either one of them all marked up

[lumberjack66]

I think I would go with Most Scripted matches suck.  But I totally get it.  I am guessing hiring gorgeous women to "fight" is expensive and probably gets more expensive as the fighting gets more real.  At the same time, most of the women willing to do this are not trained in combat acting.  So it is really rare that they are good at scripted fighting.  Plus we have such a diverse range of interests in this that I am sure it is almost impossible to check all the boxes with a single fight.  And finally most scripted matches are not really that scripted.  They may have some kind of introduction dialogue, the script says "they struggle", and there is some kind of outcome dialogue and that is it.  Not like they have a blow by blow description.

I would say the company that did it the best was the Early California Wildcats videos.  They had the introduction, followed by what was pretty much a rules catfight.  Where I would say they went wrong was they usually had some kind of scripted outcome.  So it would be a heck of a battle, then suddenly the time was up, there would be a kind of a cut in action, and the scripted winner would climb on top of the suddenly defeated looser.  If I were a producer, I think I would have two endings depending on who fought the best.  Maybe even some kind of small bonus based on the "winner".