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Why does it seem like some of the men that come here don't like women very much?

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Offline Joan1982

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Aside from in a sexual/fetish way...

Supporting your other half or fantasizing about her fighting for you and winning is one thing...but if I found out he wanted me to lose or be humiliated, I'd be looking for a good divorce attorney

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Offline Sinful Senorita Carmen

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I'm cool with it as a pro wrestling fantasy where no one is really getting hurt, but actual getting ass kicked where someone could get hurt is different.
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Offline Seve2U

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Ladies, in reality, the fetish desire to have one's spouse lose in a fight is a pretty popular theme.  It does not usually represent a hatred of one's own spouse.
Each person has their own reasoning for their fantasies and complexes.  Perhaps try to understand where the urge is coming from, and what is really being
asked of you (if anything at all) before retaining counsel.  And Happy New Year.

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Offline joenstl

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I find it horrible some guys would like to see their mothers or wives get hurt and humiliated.  That's not love.

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Offline EJB

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Aside from in a sexual/fetish way...

Supporting your other half or fantasizing about her fighting for you and winning is one thing...but if I found out he wanted me to lose or be humiliated, I'd be looking for a good divorce attorney

That's a pretty weak view of a relationship partner. What if he only occasionally fantasizes about you losing? What if he's imaginative and has a series of encounters where you typically win but occasionally it doesn't go your way? What if his fantasies of you losing and being humiliated are there to make your rematch and revenge that much hotter? What if the thing he finds arousing is the competition, not necessarily the winner, and he roots for you even if you don't win?

It's one thing to have some sort of issue where you always want to see your partner humiliated and having a fantasy about her competing with other women regardless of outcome. If he's not supportive in real life, that's an entirely different issue.

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Offline catfightlover40

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The communities you have access to is pretty paramount. I'm not going pretend that emotional, mental and physical abuse is evenly distributed, as it isn't. The fetish comes from the competition, not dominance in the case of a catfight. So those who wish their partner to endlessly lose... they do so because their own abuse was normalized by claiming it's just tough love, that the world only consists of strong people and suckers. These people, a few of whom are women and/or aren't heterosexual, look for people who were socialized to be submissive. That may fail if the one they have to marry has an opinion of her own. So, even what you mention has two faces, one is of a man who enjoys abusing people he considers weak, and the second category, like my old man (not a fetish fan), who see themselves a victim of circumstances, who, magically at the same time have the luxury to look down upon people not as well read as he is. They only fantasize about ruling to "correct" the "abuse" from people they feel are intellectually beneath them.

This fetish only works if the significant other accepts a reason for a fight that she feels could realistically happen, thus she becomes part, and not object of the fantasy.
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Offline yora

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I'm only into safe and sane organised and for fun catfights or wrestling myself, so win or lose it's no big deal, as long as it's fun and all involved enjoy it and are comfortable with it.  Somebody eventually has to submit.  Personally I'd love to see my wife sitting on top of someone and hearing them submit to her while i watch.  Damn that's gotta be fun!

As for actually seeing somebody physically attacked and beaten?  That's kinda odd and not for me

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Offline daz

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I wasnt sure if i was going to reply to this, as I am opening myself up for a heck of alot of abuse.   My late wife and I used catfighting/wrestling in our fantasies and she never ever won a single fight.   The simple reason for this is she was by nature extremely submissive and got a huge kick out of being humiliated. The short story is a mutual work colleague knew I liked pro wrestling and suggested they should have a match for my entertainment with the winner getting me for the night.She also made it abundantly clear my wife would lose and lose big.   That was the single most turned on my wife had ever been.   Now there were events in my wifes past that I believe made this fetish attractive to her as her subconscious mind used the emotional conflict to resolve the issues.   For me a tad bit more conflicting.   Because seeing my wife so turned on was was amazing and for me she had never been sexier.    So the fantasy is my wife getting physically, emotionally and mentally destroyed and losing me as a stake as both she and I acknowledge the other woman was better than her in everyway.   We were together for over 20 years.   Untill she sadly passed away at a very early age and this mutual fantasy aided our love life greatly but heres the thing.   95% of the things we fantasises about in real life would have made my feel physically sick.    I detest the idiots who post Street fights on you tube and claim there sexy.   That I do not get at all.   Also in real life the thought of someone cheating on there partner due to a fight is pretty damn weird.   But in a mutual fantasy I see no problem with it.   I  am not going to judge anyone who does it in real life as if some thing is mutually agreed apon and enjoyed by both then no problem there.   Where i do agree with the original poster though is if only the male partner fantasises about there partner losing and tries to get her to go along with this when its something she takes no pleasure in.  then thats well just wrong.

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Offline daz

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Oh and to add to this.   Personally I would have preferred my wife to have been a tad less submissive and I was then and still am now some what conflicted by the humiliation aspects.   For me in that particular situation it was sexy because of her mental reaction to it and also her bodies physical reaction.    Not because I was imagining her getting a kicking.

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For us this site is an escape from real life. In real life we are each others biggest fans and supporters. Here it can be kinky and hot talking about losing to another man or woman. It even spices things up sometimes, after all this is a fetish/fantasy site.

Rebecca and Nate

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Offline wasteland1952

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I would be very surprised and shocked to see anyone watch their wife or girlfriend in a street fight and want to see them get hurt or humiliated.  I know there are some sick people out there who might enjoy that, but I think they're a very rare breed indeed.

But I think the reverse (if that's the correct way to put it) is also true.  I would not want to stand by and watch my wife just kick the crap out of some woman when the other woman was clearly beaten.  I don't like to see beat downs.  I would be encouraging my wife to win, but not to go overboard.  I find it sickening to see a one sided fight, where the dominant girl keeps kicking and beating the other girl, and no one in the crowd tries to stop the fight.

To me, if two girls or women want to fight, then I say let them go at it.  But if one is getting hurt, or one of them wants to stop, then the fight should be stopped, period.

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Offline jessiefite

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My experience in hearing from men on this issue is that they are often sensualizing their own traumatic experiences.  Perhaps they
got beaten up at one time and felt humiliated.  And now, they feel they can probably relate better to a woman who has experienced
that same type of brutalization from same-sex peers, where one might be expected by society to defend themselves.  Often, they
say they want to comfort the loser.  They are not immoral monsters.  They are merely broken in some way, like we all are.

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Offline catfightlover40

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My experience in hearing from men on this issue is that they are often sensualizing their own traumatic experiences.  Perhaps they
got beaten up at one time and felt humiliated.  And now, they feel they can probably relate better to a woman who has experienced
that same type of brutalization from same-sex peers, where one might be expected by society to defend themselves.  Often, they
say they want to comfort the loser.  They are not immoral monsters.  They are merely broken in some way, like we all are.

One can go through different types of trauma as I did, yet being able to relate does not make one compassionate. That comes from being able to overcome the experience it happens to other people too. That one takes into consideration, that violence among men is rarely sexual, but merely a power play, while against a woman it can be both. Comforting the loser is only a nice thing if it happens after the fight itself happened in a safe and sane environment, and people don't expect the gratification. Should either or both missing, it dehumanizes a woman and takes away her agency. It matters a lot, which circles people attracted to a fetish circle, as we might just get a guy, like we did last night, who was a d*ck to women.
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Offline lumberjack66

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I guess I have been surprised by the number of men who apparently love their wives, but want to see her loose or even humilliated in a fight.  It is a significant number here and everywhere on the net.  But I don't think that means they hate women at all.  I think for whatever reason for most of them they are more attracted to the looser in a fight.  So they automatically put the person they love into the position they are most attracted too.  I think our world shames this in men (he MUST hate women), but I have talked to women who feel the same way watching guys fight and for some reason celebrate it in women (she is so kind caring and compassionate).  They are attracted to the looser so they want their woman in that position.  Now of course if the guy is attracted to the winner and wants to see his wife hurt or humilliated I would say there is something to be very concerned about there.  Maybe still OK for fantasy, but you might want to talk to somebody about that.
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Offline catfightlover40

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Thought I'd weigh in on this discussion.  I've (mature male here for those who won't read my profile) Long, LONG time had an intense erotic thrill from the idea of two girls/women in a fight, of almost any sort.  Probably started well before puberty when I watched a Roy Rogers TV show in which Roy's wife Dale Evans got into a fight with a "bad" woman associated with some sort of criminal enterprise and it had an arousing effect, even though I was well younger than puberty.  Since then the thrill has only intensified.  Multiple events have stimulated this "affliction."

I don't apologize for it but fully understand those who don't get it.  My wife is one of them.  I've twice, in over 40 years of marriage mentioned my interest in female vs female battles, which have now grown to include all sorts of erotic contests above and beyond the "catfight" scenarios that predominated early on.  She was NOT impressed.  Her  notion  followed along the lines of the original poster in this thread and assumed that it was my desire to "wish" her to be hurt.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I do not wish any woman (or man for that matter) to be physically harmed  in any way.  But as others have already replied here, the emotional, mental, and physical challenge that permeates a titfight, catifght, fistfight, sexfight, stripfight, or other such encounter is immensely erotic for me.  I've written many stories (novels to some) that reflect my deepest hidden desires.  Can't help it.  But to think that I WANT pain and hurt for the  women (or men who might engage in the various forms of men vs men battles that are  discussed in one of these forums) is simply not true.   I want sincere engagement, full effort, will-to-win, and may the best woman win sort of encounter.  If there is a bit of humiliation or brief pain involved, that goes with the territory, but no lasting damage.   

My long-winded response, had to chip in.

I've read a few of your stories and thoroughly enjoyed them. Regardless if it's fetish writing or mainstream, I've long since observed that some views I hold as a private person differs from what I've learned as a writer (aka opting to disregard something). My attraction started way before puberty, and I can concur, it is hard to find a significant other who accepts that.

One reason for that is the dynamic of discussion between men and women. Quite often we tend to switch into defensive mode, attesting the truth that apart from the fantasies we're attracted to, we're actually not violent. While true, it doesn't address the bull in the china shop, namely the fact that while we should be in a place of fantasy where we can reinvent ourselves, women come with a survival kit. Based on experience, and unfortunately corroborated by some actions here, women can fully expect unsolicited advances, may the be verbal, or the more frequent visual ones.

Those, who send or ask nudes without even ever talking to other party are not people who take the wishes of others into consideration. It's also not helpful, if the talking peters out in mere insult as if a person is in constant trash talk mode.

The reason I started to write two long-form series is because of my discovery, that even though we are some sort of a minority, even within the fetish community, outside the now-defunct Cavalier Magazine, which even for its time only covered the US, we don't have an actual historiography. Though we all come from different walks of life, our fetish stories, bearing a heavy focus on sensuality, doesn't represent our different interests in life.

The Kansas City Bomber is by no metric a masterpiece, but for a fleeting second between 1971 and 1974, mainstream adopted stories, which weren't about homemakers, plain Janes, damsels in distress, but about women who pursued their own passion. Even the catfight outside the skating arena happened for a valid and understandable reason. They weren't mere objects of fantasy, and what women object to, rightfully so, is being degraded to a level where they have no say.
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