[Bunpbner-man-22]

I would love to see Sarah Brooke take on Kim-ly from fighting dolls. That would be a real title fight.

As much as I love Sarah, I think Kim-Ly would be out of her league. Those girls at fighting dolls are ripped and on another level, especially Kim-Ly and Andy. I'll say this though... would love to see them in a real anything goes catfight where they couldn't rely just on wrestling skills.

To me the best international opponent for Sarah would be Pandora from Catz Review. Both girls are smoking hot and Pandora can absolutely slap with the best of them. Her ground game is also good so her and Sarah would be an absolute blast.

Back to the topic, I'd like to mention Treena Collins and Nancy Novak as well. They were amazing back in the 80s. Treena even had one ECNWC fight where she took down the undefeated Heidi.

Few things:

1) Kim-Ly and Andi’s wrestling skills are actually not the greatest in that league. They consistently have been best by Luna when it’s only a pins and wrestling match.  Where they dominate is in (Central European) catfighting with hair pulling and only submissions count.  When it comes to pins and wrestling they’re okay. But the weight advantage the girls would have over Sarah would be immense.  They easily weigh between 140-160 lbs.  I totally doubt the stats on the sites.  Luna has to be at least 160+ a better matchup for them would be Sexywife (although I think she recently retired due to a hacking incident), Sahyre (honestly Sahyre would absolutely destroy any of the European girls) and Lyric (same applies to her as well she’d own them).  The reason I say that is because American Catfights right now are probably the most brutal they’ve been since Crystal/ECNWC and to my knowledge every girl with exception of Ingrid, and Nadege that came from the DWW style of wrestling/catfighting has avidly avoided those rough matches. Catz Review and UK bitch fight are definitely more in line with what America producers are doing today; although SoCal Catfights right now is literally just brawls and I don’t think it gets much higher in intensity than they are right now.

2) Treena actually lost to Heidi via facesit.  The clips that are pirated right now are cut off at the 9:20 mark.  There’s actually a bit more fight left and Treena doesn’t get anymore submissions after she bangs Heidi’s head against the ground.  Actually Heidi comes back and gets 2-3 more submissions from Treena.  She pissed Heidi off and Heidi just beat the crap out of Treena afterwards.  It was a very humbling moment of catfighting for her especially because I think she was saying Alexa didn’t know what she was doing in a catfight against Heidi.

[Mikebt]

2) Treena actually lost to Heidi via facesit.  The clips that are pirated right now are cut off at the 9:20 mark.  There’s actually a bit more fight left and Treena doesn’t get anymore submissions after she bangs Heidi’s head against the ground.  Actually Heidi comes back and gets 2-3 more submissions from Treena.  She pissed Heidi off and Heidi just beat the crap out of Treena afterwards.  It was a very humbling moment of catfighting for her especially because I think she was saying Alexa didn’t know what she was doing in a catfight against Heidi.

Do you by any chance have the full video? I've only seen what was on ECNWC CF-37 and in that video they had Heidi do an interview before and after the fight, but like you said it was rather short and it made it look like Treena had won the fight. Heidi said she banged her head on the floor and I thought that was the end right there. There was rumors that they had a rematch, but I emailed the ECNWC owner recently and he said that was their only fight. If you still have the full fight I would love to see it, plz pm me and we can work something out. I collect Heidi fights so seeing her come back and win over Treena would be awesome to see, especially since I've never seen Treena dominated before.

[mauler maureen]

In my book LaDawn and Champagne get high marks for their aggressive catfighting style. Both fought for California Wildcats.

[Markleilani]

Interesting subject, pretty much impossible to answer of course..

For competitive wrestling, Raquel, Ziggy, Helen Von Mott, Bea Goffin, Nadege,  Kasie Cavanaugh...

For brawling, Andy and Petra (FD), Wildcat Kelli, lady Ellen, Dangerous Deb ( though I know very little about her)...

[Bunpbner-man-22]

2) Treena actually lost to Heidi via facesit.  The clips that are pirated right now are cut off at the 9:20 mark.  There’s actually a bit more fight left and Treena doesn’t get anymore submissions after she bangs Heidi’s head against the ground.  Actually Heidi comes back and gets 2-3 more submissions from Treena.  She pissed Heidi off and Heidi just beat the crap out of Treena afterwards.  It was a very humbling moment of catfighting for her especially because I think she was saying Alexa didn’t know what she was doing in a catfight against Heidi.

Do you by any chance have the full video? I've only seen what was on ECNWC CF-37 and in that video they had Heidi do an interview before and after the fight, but like you said it was rather short and it made it look like Treena had won the fight. Heidi said she banged her head on the floor and I thought that was the end right there. There was rumors that they had a rematch, but I emailed the ECNWC owner recently and he said that was their only fight. If you still have the full fight I would love to see it, plz pm me and we can work something out. I collect Heidi fights so seeing her come back and win over Treena would be awesome to see, especially since I've never seen Treena dominated before.

Unfortunately I do not.  When ECNWC was around I wasn’t old enough for a credit card.  I know this because about 3-4 years ago on VK there was a pirated copy that had “76” in the title and it was the full match.  It was split into 2 parts.  The first part is the pirated copy you see today.  The second is the part I’m referring to.  I have gone back to try and find it but there was a massive purge in VK about 4 years ago and that’s when everyone moved over to Pornhub.  But since I got a credit card I now just buy everything to support producers—but that’s where I saw it.

[Mikebt]

Unfortunately I do not.  When ECNWC was around I wasn’t old enough for a credit card.  I know this because about 3-4 years ago on VK there was a pirated copy that had “76” in the title and it was the full match.  It was split into 2 parts.  The first part is the pirated copy you see today.  The second is the part I’m referring to.  I have gone back to try and find it but there was a massive purge in VK about 4 years ago and that’s when everyone moved over to Pornhub.  But since I got a credit card I now just buy everything to support producers—but that’s where I saw it.

Sadly, unless you know someone that has it, it's impossible to buy anything from ECNWC. I found out about them late(Jemma vs Brooke was my first video) so I wasn't able to get much of a collection going. Contacted the owner by email recently(actually emailed me back about a certain fight), but he never answered me about buying videos from him. It doesn't sound like he's interested in selling anything and people have said that this was just a hobby for him.

[Bear]

In the Scenario Fight Category, I'd chose Malay, just for the sheer volume and quality of her work.  She didn't always fare too well in her real matches at the Hellfire Club -- usually against younger women, but the stuff that she produced for Crystal was outstanding. 

[maine516]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Venus Delight.  She did mostly scripted catfights but in her early years she proved that she could really wrestle with her matches for Video Sports Limited.  Venus was one of the industry pioneers with her work for California Wildcats in the 1980's and she performed for multiple companies for a about 2-3 decades.  She was one of the most beautiful and sexiest looking women ever in the industry who won a couple of Miss Nude Universe pageants I believe.

As to the most physically strong and dominant catfighter and wrestler, I think I'd go with Ariel X.  I don't think some of the others mentioned above could beat her.

[Her_guy]

Alecia Ames! Great body and would fight anyone. Sexy tough and dirty.

[Mikebt]

For brawling, Andy and Petra (FD), Wildcat Kelli, lady Ellen, Dangerous Deb ( though I know very little about her)...

Are you talking about the big blonde woman from Crystal Films? I don't think she lost a fight the entire time there, but she also didn't really fight anyone with the same skills as her. Candy was the closest fight, although she was shorter and out of shape.

Another one to throw into the mix is Steel Rose from TanyaKicks. I just recently went back and watched her match against Ikira called Blood Feud and damn she was tough as nails. Not only could she dish out the punishment, but she could take it too.

[Markleilani]

For brawling, Andy and Petra (FD), Wildcat Kelli, lady Ellen, Dangerous Deb ( though I know very little about her)...

Are you talking about the big blonde woman from Crystal Films? I don't think she lost a fight the entire time there, but she also didn't really fight anyone with the same skills as her. Candy was the closest fight, although she was shorter and out of shape.

Another one to throw into the mix is Steel Rose from TanyaKicks. I just recently went back and watched her match against Ikira called Blood Feud and damn she was tough as nails. Not only could she dish out the punishment, but she could take it too.

Yes, i think we’re talking about the same week woman. I don’t know if she fought elsewhere.

And speaking of TanyaKicks, what about Tanya herself?

[muggles]

I would love to see Sarah Brooke take on Kim-ly from fighting dolls. That would be a real title fight.

As much as I love Sarah, I think Kim-Ly would be out of her league. Those girls at fighting dolls are ripped and on another level, especially Kim-Ly and Andy. I'll say this though... would love to see them in a real anything goes catfight where they couldn't rely just on wrestling skills.

To me the best international opponent for Sarah would be Pandora from Catz Review. Both girls are smoking hot and Pandora can absolutely slap with the best of them. Her ground game is also good so her and Sarah would be an absolute blast.

Back to the topic, I'd like to mention Treena Collins and Nancy Novak as well. They were amazing back in the 80s. Treena even had one ECNWC fight where she took down the undefeated Heidi.

Few things:

1) Kim-Ly and Andi’s wrestling skills are actually not the greatest in that league. They consistently have been best by Luna when it’s only a pins and wrestling match.  Where they dominate is in (Central European) catfighting with hair pulling and only submissions count.  When it comes to pins and wrestling they’re okay. But the weight advantage the girls would have over Sarah would be immense.  They easily weigh between 140-160 lbs.  I totally doubt the stats on the sites.  Luna has to be at least 160+ a better matchup for them would be Sexywife (although I think she recently retired due to a hacking incident), Sahyre (honestly Sahyre would absolutely destroy any of the European girls) and Lyric (same applies to her as well she’d own them).  The reason I say that is because American Catfights right now are probably the most brutal they’ve been since Crystal/ECNWC and to my knowledge every girl with exception of Ingrid, and Nadege that came from the DWW style of wrestling/catfighting has avidly avoided those rough matches. Catz Review and UK bitch fight are definitely more in line with what America producers are doing today; although SoCal Catfights right now is literally just brawls and I don’t think it gets much higher in intensity than they are right now.

2) Treena actually lost to Heidi via facesit.  The clips that are pirated right now are cut off at the 9:20 mark.  There’s actually a bit more fight left and Treena doesn’t get anymore submissions after she bangs Heidi’s head against the ground.  Actually Heidi comes back and gets 2-3 more submissions from Treena.  She pissed Heidi off and Heidi just beat the crap out of Treena afterwards.  It was a very humbling moment of catfighting for her especially because I think she was saying Alexa didn’t know what she was doing in a catfight against Heidi.

Not true.  You have the order reversed.  After Heidi gets her head banged, both women remove their stockings and continue fighting.  Treena continued to dominate Heidi.  Heidi had success at first, which is when both women were wearing stockings.

[b3b392]

With regards to the whole Heidi/Treena thing, I think I remember Treena ultimately getting the win, but hot though Treena was, most of her fights weren't actually real and I'm not convinced Heidi was that great either.

G.O.A.T. for me had to be Nadege. She could wrestle, she could brawl, she'd do the more scripted side of things well if she had to, and she would travel and fight anywhere. She fought the DWW girls, she went to Canada and fought the Tanyakicks girls. RIP to an absolute legend.

If she'd lived a few years more I'm sure she'd have loved to have fought the likes of Sarah Brooke, Ariel X, and basically any of the big names from the current period, and I think she'd beat them all.

[maturecatfan]

I think sarah is today

but I have to put a mention in for Tina Antman. She did catfights, real and scripted. Wrestled, sometimes against stronger opponents, she also boxed and she had a body to die for

There is also Jenn who fought for ecnwc and wbi as well as others, a great catfighter, superb tits and ass and he4 finishing smother move was awesome

[suhmann]

Well, there was also Dakota, she also participated from staged to normal catfight. She injured her back and was unable to continue fighting.