[Videan]

So I’m making a thread of all the fights that I wish existed and I would like members to contribute to this thread to see if they know if they do exist or if they don’t.  I’ve seen on this site some back and forth on whether some of these fights exist.  So I’ll list em out—lemme know your thoughts and if there’s some that you’d like to add to just to have some discussion.

Nicole vs Ingrid (final fight)

I’m listing this one out because I’ve been over to the new DWW site and bought all the Nicole vs Ingrid fights but I cannot find the fight that Nicole loses and quits fighting all together because Ingrind basically pounded her into the mat after a emotional back and forth.  I read on here that that’s what happened but no one is ever able to answer which fight it is and what movie it’s on.  So I can only imagine it’s not real. The last fight at dww that they have right now between Nicole and Ingrid is where Ingrid loses and Nicole mocks her for losing; so that can’t be it.

Michelle vs Andi 2

I’m putting this on here because I’m 99% positive it never happened.  But I don’t think I need to explain why I think it should’ve happened.  It’s literally a fight based on one of the greatest Catfights of all time.  Where both girls are scrappy, bigger, proud, and undefeated.  One loses because she got winded/sick but wants a rematch.  That’s a rematch we never got but I’m sure all of us would’ve loved to see it.

Rage vs Zoe 2

I mean I saw this listed and noted as an upcoming match from fight pulse.  I immediately bought the first one because of how it was billed:  two women, one undefeated the other the strong young upcomer who learned a lot and now wants to fight the queen.  I can’t tell you how awesome sexy that type of hype is around Catfights. Yet I don’t think we ever got round 2.  Not that I think anything would change from the first match I do have to wonder if after their loss the one woman just didn’t want to fight the other girl anymore because of fear or knowing she can’t win.  That’s what it seemed like.

Maryanne vs Vira 2

I think not many of you on here are aware of how Carolina Catfights built this match which was Vira had to go fight Sia in order to get to Maryanne.  I’m aware this is all scripted but ya know the cool thing about CC (at least their earlier stuff) was their girls could make it seem like it wasn’t.  So then later on in their catalogue Tabitha went up to Viras apartment and actually wrestled her competitively.  Later on Maryanne had a scripted match with Tabitha in what looks like Viras place.  Which make me wonder why didn’t Vira have a competitive match against Maryanne there. I don’t believe it exists because I don’t think Maryanne did competitive wrestling but I mean if it did it would be there.

Heidi vs Jen, Jemma, Gia,  or Brooke

Recently mentioned in another thread; and I’m fairly sure these do not exist.  But I would like to know Heidi’s backstory more because it’s apparent that pairing here against Savannah, Rachel Steele, Alexus, and Treena that only 1 of those fights was competitive and close until the end (Alexus fight) but I’m not sure why Bob didn’t try to get Heidi to fight one of those fighters above because that would’ve really tested her strength.  Those above were actually scrappy cat fighters who fought not only for the pay but to win. Treena was at the end of her career when she fought Heidi. I believe Savannah only had 1 fight before and it was draw with Gia.  Rachel’s fighting career always involved her being a jobber.  Alexus was the only real fighter there and to my knowledge she only had 2 fights prior and one was a very brief match where her opponent quit after realizing how rough it was. (She squashed Tabitha in a full length fight)

Pornstar competitive fights

Now I know these don’t exist (or at least I don’t think they do) but there were for a little while when the main stars of DT were venturing into competitive wrestling.  Sinn, Cali, Kymberly Jane, Erica, Princezz, and Celeste were doing competitive matches for DT (very short lived) and I know Nicole Oring actually did real wrestling and some real Catfights for some companies but not a lot.  I’d really love to see more from these ladies but I think most of them did not like the scene because there’s just not much to it.  I think the actual violence wasn’t something they enjoyed; which is completely  their right to feel that way and I respect it.  But I wish there was more.  I’m glad now Tilly Sahyre, Jolene Hexx, and Gia Love are all in the fighting scene which involves actual fights but I wish from 2004-2012 that there was still this scene to exist for the models who came before them.  Man imagine is Sinn and Mutiny actually had a real fight like Tilly puts on? That’d be awesome.

I have a lot more that I wish existed like:

I’d love for more toon fights without the Rob Zombie Parody song.

Imagine same animation level akin to Haunted World of Superbeasto but the setting revolves around a heroine who’s fighting her way up in the 145 LB apartment catfight circuit?

I’d also love a movie to be based around a stripper who’s in a competitive mud/oil wrestling circuit that didn’t devolve into an orgy but actually looked competitive and where the stakes are real. 

Anyways that’s just my thoughts.  I’ve been a fan of Catfights and fem wrestling my entire adult life.  I’m insanely turned on by naked/thong women’s wrestling.  I kinda find that super competitive matches and actual competitions (UFC) aren’t really turn ons.  But mud/oil/apartment wrestling competitive fights are awesome.

[Mikebt]

Heidi vs Jen, Jemma, Gia,  or Brooke

Recently mentioned in another thread; and I’m fairly sure these do not exist.  But I would like to know Heidi’s backstory more because it’s apparent that pairing here against Savannah, Rachel Steele, Alexus, and Treena that only 1 of those fights was competitive and close until the end (Alexus fight) but I’m not sure why Bob didn’t try to get Heidi to fight one of those fighters above because that would’ve really tested her strength.  Those above were actually scrappy cat fighters who fought not only for the pay but to win. Treena was at the end of her career when she fought Heidi. I believe Savannah only had 1 fight before and it was draw with Gia.  Rachel’s fighting career always involved her being a jobber.  Alexus was the only real fighter there and to my knowledge she only had 2 fights prior and one was a very brief match where her opponent quit after realizing how rough it was. (She squashed Tabitha in a full length fight)

I kinda find that super competitive matches and actual competitions (UFC) aren’t really turn ons.  But mud/oil/apartment wrestling competitive fights are awesome.

Anyone know what happened to Heidi? Her accent sounded German so I'm wondering if maybe she went back there. I never saw here anywhere else after ECNWC. She was tough as nails, but like you mentioned she didn't have much of a competition and her fight against Treena was when Treena was much older. My dream ECNWC match up would have been Heidi vs Brooke or Heidi vs Wildcat Kelli. I'm pretty sure Kelli would have beaten her with her dominating wrestling skills, but a fight against Brooke would've been an absolute blast. Two tall and tough women and I can't see either one giving up to the other.

I also agree with you on UFC. I've never been a fan, mainly because the women have their hair braided(no hair pulling) and most of them look too manly(body type) for my liking. Lingerie fighting championship was a great idea, but I just can't get into it since it's scripted. If they just let them fight for real with no head shots, I would honestly order every PPV.

[shotgun6]

I am fascinated by the idea of stuff sitting in California Wildcats vault, since "Trish" passed a few years ago - there are references to "unreleased" fights, in some of their "themed" productions, including a catfight/sexfight between Anita Cannibal and Johnni Black, a catfight between Deja and Chantel, a wrestling match/sexfight between "Teala" and Stacy Burke...but the one I am most curious about is another match between Dyanna Lauren and Tori Sinclair; they were featured in "Cathouse Catfight", and both were in "No Frills 3" and "No Frills 4", but they didn't wrestle each other; which seemed odd, as those films had sort of a round-robin going on; would love to know if that match exists and just never made it onto a released video!

[Videan]

I am fascinated by the idea of stuff sitting in California Wildcats vault, since "Trish" passed a few years ago - there are references to "unreleased" fights, in some of their "themed" productions, including a catfight/sexfight between Anita Cannibal and Johnni Black, a catfight between Deja and Chantel, a wrestling match/sexfight between "Teala" and Stacy Burke...but the one I am most curious about is another match between Dyanna Lauren and Tori Sinclair; they were featured in "Cathouse Catfight", and both were in "No Frills 3" and "No Frills 4", but they didn't wrestle each other; which seemed odd, as those films had sort of a round-robin going on; would love to know if that match exists and just never made it onto a released video!

Pretty sure Rockin Roxanne has a few of the unreleased matches from Video Sports but their credit card system keeps me away.

I am positive that Venus and Sandra actually had a wrestling match.  But I’m willing to bet that Venus lost against her.  California Wildcats was a great company that had the formula right from the early 90s and late 80s but eventually just changed into another lesbian sexfight outlet.

[Videan]

Heidi vs Jen, Jemma, Gia,  or Brooke

Recently mentioned in another thread; and I’m fairly sure these do not exist.  But I would like to know Heidi’s backstory more because it’s apparent that pairing here against Savannah, Rachel Steele, Alexus, and Treena that only 1 of those fights was competitive and close until the end (Alexus fight) but I’m not sure why Bob didn’t try to get Heidi to fight one of those fighters above because that would’ve really tested her strength.  Those above were actually scrappy cat fighters who fought not only for the pay but to win. Treena was at the end of her career when she fought Heidi. I believe Savannah only had 1 fight before and it was draw with Gia.  Rachel’s fighting career always involved her being a jobber.  Alexus was the only real fighter there and to my knowledge she only had 2 fights prior and one was a very brief match where her opponent quit after realizing how rough it was. (She squashed Tabitha in a full length fight)

I kinda find that super competitive matches and actual competitions (UFC) aren’t really turn ons.  But mud/oil/apartment wrestling competitive fights are awesome.

Anyone know what happened to Heidi? Her accent sounded German so I'm wondering if maybe she went back there. I never saw here anywhere else after ECNWC. She was tough as nails, but like you mentioned she didn't have much of a competition and her fight against Treena was when Treena was much older. My dream ECNWC match up would have been Heidi vs Brooke or Heidi vs Wildcat Kelli. I'm pretty sure Kelli would have beaten her with her dominating wrestling skills, but a fight against Brooke would've been an absolute blast. Two tall and tough women and I can't see either one giving up to the other.

I also agree with you on UFC. I've never been a fan, mainly because the women have their hair braided(no hair pulling) and most of them look too manly(body type) for my liking. Lingerie fighting championship was a great idea, but I just can't get into it since it's scripted. If they just let them fight for real with no head shots, I would honestly order every PPV.

I like Kelli Wildcat but her strength was never her wrestling skills. Hurricane Havana destroyed her in a wrestling match and this was before she was older it was when she was younger and in better shape.

I’d hate to say it but Kellis strength isn’t her talent but it’s her size, weight, and her ability to inflict pain on her opponents while not having them get to an advantage.  I’ve watched 4 Kelli fights recently Wildcats, and ECNWC.  In all 4 of those fights Kelli basically lays on top of her opponents and just abuses their tits.  They’re not strong enough to flip her off or do they have the skill to understand how to do that.

Then compare that with her match against Hurricane Havana and she basically can get Kelli off of her in an instant and then force her into a hold where she can’t inflict strikes and she was pretty much stuck.

But I agree against Heidi she would win, but mainly I think because of her size and her willingness to take damage but also her strength in dishing it out.

[Mikebt]

I like Kelli Wildcat but her strength was never her wrestling skills. Hurricane Havana destroyed her in a wrestling match and this was before she was older it was when she was younger and in better shape.

I’d hate to say it but Kellis strength isn’t her talent but it’s her size, weight, and her ability to inflict pain on her opponents while not having them get to an advantage.  I’ve watched 4 Kelli fights recently Wildcats, and ECNWC.  In all 4 of those fights Kelli basically lays on top of her opponents and just abuses their tits.  They’re not strong enough to flip her off or do they have the skill to understand how to do that.

Then compare that with her match against Hurricane Havana and she basically can get Kelli off of her in an instant and then force her into a hold where she can’t inflict strikes and she was pretty much stuck.

But I agree against Heidi she would win, but mainly I think because of her size and her willingness to take damage but also her strength in dishing it out.

Agreed, in her only fight at ECNWC she pretty much suffocated Sarah after getting on top of her. I've never seen the Hurricane Havana match, is it available anywhere? Would love to see her meet her match.

[Videan]

I like Kelli Wildcat but her strength was never her wrestling skills. Hurricane Havana destroyed her in a wrestling match and this was before she was older it was when she was younger and in better shape.

I’d hate to say it but Kellis strength isn’t her talent but it’s her size, weight, and her ability to inflict pain on her opponents while not having them get to an advantage.  I’ve watched 4 Kelli fights recently Wildcats, and ECNWC.  In all 4 of those fights Kelli basically lays on top of her opponents and just abuses their tits.  They’re not strong enough to flip her off or do they have the skill to understand how to do that.

Then compare that with her match against Hurricane Havana and she basically can get Kelli off of her in an instant and then force her into a hold where she can’t inflict strikes and she was pretty much stuck.

But I agree against Heidi she would win, but mainly I think because of her size and her willingness to take damage but also her strength in dishing it out.

Agreed, in her only fight at ECNWC she pretty much suffocated Sarah after getting on top of her. I've never seen the Hurricane Havana match, is it available anywhere? Would love to see her meet her match.

I saw it years ago—but I don’t know the studio.  I think it maybe Fighting Wildcats. They did it before an audience and I remember Hurricane had to change bikinis during it.

[rin753]

Michelle vs Andi 2

I’m putting this on here because I’m 99% positive it never happened.  But I don’t think I need to explain why I think it should’ve happened.  It’s literally a fight based on one of the greatest Catfights of all time.  Where both girls are scrappy, bigger, proud, and undefeated.  One loses because she got winded/sick but wants a rematch.  That’s a rematch we never got but I’m sure all of us would’ve loved to see it.

So many guys mention this one as one of their favorites.  I hope they realize that it's a work.  They aren't really fighting.  No one was hurt in this one.  They faked it.  They did a decent job of selling it, but it's a work nonetheless.

Rich

[Mikebt]

Michelle vs Andi 2

I’m putting this on here because I’m 99% positive it never happened.  But I don’t think I need to explain why I think it should’ve happened.  It’s literally a fight based on one of the greatest Catfights of all time.  Where both girls are scrappy, bigger, proud, and undefeated.  One loses because she got winded/sick but wants a rematch.  That’s a rematch we never got but I’m sure all of us would’ve loved to see it.

So many guys mention this one as one of their favorites.  I hope they realize that it's a work.  They aren't really fighting.  No one was hurt in this one.  They faked it.  They did a decent job of selling it, but it's a work nonetheless.

Rich

If you go by your definition of real because "no one was hurt" than 90% of the catfights are a work. IMO, a fight belongs in three categories: fantasy=work/predetermined,  competitive=real wrestling/fighting but with rules and street=no rules all out brawl. I think Crystal Films had the most of the 3rd category, but it was a mix of the two because once someone gave it was over. I don't remember anyone getting seriously hurt(one fight had a black chick punch and break the others nose), which was probably luck since a lot of them fights had face punching. The Michelle/Andi fight was as competitive as it gets and at the end Michelle was landing punches to the head while she had her in a head lock. I don't know how you fake punching to the back of the head, maybe if it had been a street fight she would've gone for the eyes and punched her in the throat.

[Videan]

Michelle vs Andi 2

I’m putting this on here because I’m 99% positive it never happened.  But I don’t think I need to explain why I think it should’ve happened.  It’s literally a fight based on one of the greatest Catfights of all time.  Where both girls are scrappy, bigger, proud, and undefeated.  One loses because she got winded/sick but wants a rematch.  That’s a rematch we never got but I’m sure all of us would’ve loved to see it.

So many guys mention this one as one of their favorites.  I hope they realize that it's a work.  They aren't really fighting.  No one was hurt in this one.  They faked it.  They did a decent job of selling it, but it's a work nonetheless.

Rich

If you go by your definition of real because "no one was hurt" than 90% of the catfights are a work. IMO, a fight belongs in three categories: fantasy=work/predetermined,  competitive=real wrestling/fighting but with rules and street=no rules all out brawl. I think Crystal Films had the most of the 3rd category, but it was a mix of the two because once someone gave it was over. I don't remember anyone getting seriously hurt(one fight had a black chick punch and break the others nose), which was probably luck since a lot of them fights had face punching. The Michelle/Andi fight was as competitive as it gets and at the end Michelle was landing punches to the head while she had her in a head lock. I don't know how you fake punching to the back of the head, maybe if it had been a street fight she would've gone for the eyes and punched her in the throat.

I was about to say there’s no shot that was a scripted faked fight.  If it was it was the best acting and sound production on any scripted fight ever. 

At the end of the fight both Michelle and Andi were launching blows into each other’s heads and you could literally hear the smack of fist on skull.  Throughout the fight you could see them panting and visibly trying to hurt one another.  I don’t think I’ve ever seen something like that faked.  The closest I can think of is Venus vs Sandra in Ring Riot but it wasn’t even that close.

[Bear]

I fully agree with Mike in regard to the Andi / Michelle fight.  Crystal's combatants agreed to rules prior to their fight, and my guess is that they agreed to open hand punching or slapping, no closed fist.  This doesn't mean that the fight was "worked'"  It meant that their encounter was most likely going to be a competitive wrestling match with some extras added -- and that's what we got.  Contrast that to Mary's fights which were "anything goes" or Michelle's fight against Chaba and you have an outright street fight.  Something different.

In regard to someone getting hurt, or submitting out of pain: At least half of the crystal fights were conceded by the woman who simply ran out of gas.  Quite often that woman was the better and more aggressive fighter.  So, the victor wasn't always the woman who beat the crap out of her opponent; it was the woman who could continue when her opponent was spent. 

In any case, my Number One choice for the fight that never happened would be a Michelle vs. Andi rematch -- and topless. 

[rin753]

If you go by your definition of real because "no one was hurt" than 90% of the catfights are a work.
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I know some guys are convinced that Andi/Michelle is a real fight, and I have no problem with you holding to that view.  I do disagree with that opinion.

Of course it's senseless to argue about.  What I do want to make clear is what I consider fake.  Any fight which is not a competition, and the winner is pre-determined is a work.  And that is what I see with Andi and Michelle.

But, could I be wrong?  Sure.  Ask my wife.

Rich

[Mikesabio69]

This is a great topic and I enjoy the clarification of the definitions. I have used the simple-sounding philosophy that they are all real,I.e.women met up and performed a catfight. The next topic and what we are discussing here is how competitive was it. It is clear why the Andi-Michelle match is so popular. There is something for everyone. After reading this thread and seeing Rich’s last response, I THINK what happened was that there was an agreement that the ladies would act like they hate and want to harm the other and agreed they would land solid shots and provide other evidence giving credence to these acts. There could be a number of rea$ons for this kind of fight.
Rich, can you provide any thoughts on my theory?

[rin753]

THINK what happened was that there was an agreement that the ladies would act like they hate and want to harm the other and agreed they would land solid shots and provide other evidence giving credence to these acts. There could be a number of rea$ons for this kind of fight.
Rich, can you provide any thoughts on my theory?

Wise, I watched the thing again tonight.  Hadn't seen it at least 10 years.  My opinion did not change.  They did set a record for rolling around for sure.  Lots of escapes and then more rolling and never was anyone in real distress at any time. Don't know what "solid shots" you are talking about.  I didn't see any.  For amateurs they did a decent job of selling it but the giveaway for me is that I have seen both of these women in real fights and this one was from a completely different planet.

I have absolutely no idea why they faked it (if they did).  If I had to guess, I would say it was something along the lines of they were really good friends.

Did I answer your question?

Rich

[Mikesabio69]

Yes for sure and I thank you for your nice detailed response. I meant to watch before posting so my facts were straight but I had to choose the opportunity so now I have watched it and I say it is a strenuous roughhousing with missed opportunities, if the intent were to wipe out the opponent.  Using Magazine 13 as my source, I find:
1:47:42 a solid backhand by Andi followed by a good slap from Michelle
1:48:20 several solid breast punches by M
1:50::00 good slaps by both but no damage
1:50:45 criminal missed opportunity by Michelle that could have led to an early win
1:51:29 a good face shot by M followed by another missed opportunity to close things out
1:52:22 I noticed Andi looked ripe for the kill. Time to quit the cancer sticks.
1:52:50. M missed yet again with A face down defenseless with M sitting on her
1:54:10 M has A on the couch but wastes time on ineffective body shots
1:55:40 M lands a solid head shot followed by a mutual exciting exchange
1:56:05. Two good hits to the skull and Andi gives

I never noticed any of this before and how one sided it was. I was captivated by their sexiness and the attitudes displayed plus the roughhousing. Perhaps Crystal was trying to showcase Michelle? Both had done excellent hard fights and well, who knows. Anyway I would support Rich’s take on this catfight. I like the idea that they were friends. They sure did a.nice job convincing otherwise.  Thanks again, Rich!